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Dance Mat FAQ
by ranma-tim@care2.com
version 1.02 - last updated 30/5/5
latest version always available from www.juggler.net/tim
1) Introduction
2) Just tell me which mat I should get!
3) Mat Problems
4) Soft Mats
-Soft Mat Maintenance
5) Hard Pads
6) Modded Mats
7) Home-Made Mats
8) FAQ History and Credits
1) Introduction
So, you've got hold of your dance game - great. Now you just
need a dance mat to play it with. Only trouble is, the more you look at what
is available, the more you find. There are maybe 25 different mats available
in the UK one way or another, varying in price from 'free' to several hundred
pounds - and no way of telling which one is right for you. Until now!
This FAQ will attempt to give you some info on every mat you can get hold of, so you can make the right decision. New mats are coming out all the time, so the chances are that most of the time this FAQ will be out of date. Fortunately you can at least use it to get an idea of which companies make the best mats, and then if they have a new model that I haven't covered here, you can be pretty sure that it's a good bet.
There are three basic kinds of mats; soft, hard, and home-made. (Okay so home-made ones can be soft or hard, but you know what I mean). Soft mats are widely available, cheap, and often have lots of problems... but can be Modded, which makes them much better while also taking a bit of time and effort to do. Hard mats are harder to get hold of, more expensive, better than soft mats... but can still go wrong. Home-made mats are as good as you make them, and should work out cheaper than a hard-mat.
One other note is that soft mats are generally bigger than the arcade pads - the arrow-pads are bigger, and they are spaced further apart. Add this to the fact that you'll generally want to play on soft mats without shoes, and you find that you actually have an appreciably different experience from the arcade. So, if you're the master of the mat at home, don't expect your skills to carry over to the arcade perfectly!
There is a section devoted to each kind of mat, as well as a section describing the full range of mat ailments. If you want to make sure you get exactly the right mat, then maybe you'd better look over this entire guide. If you know what type you want but want to know more about the choices within that type, check out the relevant section. If you just want to know the answer - which mat should you get - and can't be bothered reading and thinking, no problem - see the next section!
2) Just tell me which mat I
should get!
If you're reasonably competent at making things, have enough
time, and have access to suitable hardware stores, you should almost certainly
build your own mat. Go straight to section 7.
If you can't be doing with all that hassle, you probably
want a nice soft mat. Right now, the new Logic 3 (available from Amazon
and Woolworths) seems to be the best.
Competition Pro and Ravestation mats are both excellent and widely available,
but they don't have the X and O buttons in the right place for Solo mode. If
you're prepared to spend a little more and do some online ordering, go get one
of the legendary Red Octane Ignition
mats.
On the other hand, ANY soft mat with a 12 month warranty
on it should be safe - if it goes wrong in that year, you have every right to
get a refund or replacement.
If you're actually quite rich, and have the odd hundred quid lying around, then some kind of hard mat is probably the best thing for you. Either you go for the new Logic 3 metal mats (v2.0) stocked by Spectravideo (£100), or again you're going to have to do some overseas ordering - and try eBay first. There are a few different ones available, but the ones that seems to have least problems are the metal ones (as opposed to the plastic ones), which look just like the arcade pads and feel like them too.
If you're insanely rich, why not just buy the whole arcade machine? I'm no expert on this, but it will set you back a few thousand quid however you do it. There's a nice guide to this kind of thing at ddrfreak.com called "Choosing a DDR Machine - and how to care for it" under their 'tips and guides' section.
3) Mat Problems
Every mat has problems. Some are inevitable, some can be fixed,
some crop up and mean you should take the mat back to the shop and get a new
one. In the later sections I'll also be referring to some of these problems
by my own names for them, so if you don't know what I'm talking about, read
what I mean here.
-XO
If you're lucky, your dance mat will have the X top left and
the O top right. This means if you play Solo mode (in Dancing Stage: Party Edition),
to hit the diagonal arrows, you just press exactly where they would be. Great.
Unfortunately, most decent mats seem to have gone for having X bottom
left and O bottom right (with the new Logic 3 being a notable exception). This
leads to the XO problem (which co-incidentally looks like a frustrated smiley)
- in Solo mode, for 'Up-Left' you have to hit 'Down-Left', and similarly for
'Up-Right'. This is possible, but very annoying! The only thing you can do about
this is make sure the mat you buy has these buttons in the right place. If it
doesn't and you haven't totally worn it out, I think this is valid grounds for
returning it to the shop and getting a refund. If you can't do that, then don't
worry - just make sure your next mat has them in the right place, and then you
can still use your old mat for playing Double mode!
-Floor Slipping
The most common problem with soft dance mats is floor slipping.
You do a step, and you and the entire mat slide across the floor a short way.
Over the course of a song you might find you have moved entirely across the
room, and in the worst cases this will pull your vertically mounted PS2 off
the table onto the hard floor and destroy it. Beware!
Unfortunately, this is quite hard to fix, and isn't something
you can really take the mat back to the shop for. You can modify your dancing
style to minimise the problem (not fun), or you can do something to fix your
mat to the floor. Sticky pads (which come with some mats) are fine if you don't
mind having a dance mat permanently stuck in that room. Other than that, there
isn't much you can do - generally, the more expensive the soft mat is, the less
it will tend to floor-slip. If this drives you bananas, you'll probably need
to look into modding.
If you have two soft dance mats and want to play Double mode,
then floor slip will slowly spread those two mats apart, making it very hard
indeed! In this case you really need to do something to stick the mats together.
Again, this is only really good if it is relatively permanent, but is still
worth doing. A good compromise is Velcro - get long strips, separate them into
their fuzzy and hooky parts, and cut the fuzzy side in half. Glue these fuzzy
bits to the underside of your dance mats. You then join them together at will
with the long hooky strip you have left. Can't vouch for how well this works
though - it's just an idea at the moment!
-Mat Slipping
If you have a really bad soft mat, then you will encounter
Mat Slipping. This is where the top part of the mat is not attached to the bottom
part, so when you dance - even if the bottom of the mat is glued to the floor
- the top part tends to move around, sometimes rucking up the mat entirely.
Imagine dancing on a sleeping bag - that's what it feels like. This is a terrible,
terrible problem, and generally afflicts any soft mat that costs less than £15.
It would require some serious (warranty destroying) mat surgery to fix, and
is just not worth the effort. Take it back to the shop and buy a better one!
-Sticky Response
This can happen to any mat of any kind anywhere ever, including
the arcade ones themselves. What you want is to hit the arrow at the right time,
and for it to transmit that right-time signal so you get your Perfect rating
for that step. When you have a Sticky Response problem, a tap on the beat can
become a tap off the beat, seven taps all over the place, or (if you didn't
hit it hard enough), your effort can be totally ignored and you get a Full-Combo
destroying Boo. This problem is just a sad fact of reality - if you hit things
a lot, they tend to break, even if they were designed to be hit in that way.
Once this has happened, your only choice is to take the mat
back to the shop (if you're within the 12 month warranty... you did get a mat
with a 12 month warranty, didn't you?), or to fix it yourself - which is generally
not easy. Inside most soft mats is a kind of printed circuit board, and you
can get a sticky response when this gets worn off. I think that you could fix
this by covering the dodgy sections with conducting paint... but I'm yet to
prove this, as after 9 months the modelling shop still hasn't got the stuff
in.
To avoid this happening, you can get an expensive mat (generally
the more expensive, the less likely it is to go Sticky), and you can also avoid
mistreating your mat - don't let the dog walk on it, don't let anyone play on
it in vicious shoes - basically, all the things it tells you not to do on that
little insert that you threw away. I would even recommend not folding your mat
- if you can store it flat then you have a much better chance of it lasting
longer.
-Button Override
On some mats, pressing one of the symbol buttons and an arrow
at the same time results in the arrow signal being ignored. So, if you hit the
arrow perfectly, but your big toe happens to also hit the edge of the X pad,
your step doesn't register. Terrible! In the Soft Mat section below, I'll indicate
if the mat has this problem in the cases I'm actually aware of.
Fortunately, there is an easy fix if you're playing Dancing
Stage: Party Edition. Go Options > Control Settings > Dance Play Settings.
Now simply set the controller you are using to 'Off'; as the text at the bottom
of the screen says, this will stop the non-directional buttons being used as
input, thus solving the problem.
-Doesn't Work Properly
Many of you may already be familiar with this technical term.
Maybe your mat fails to respond entirely. Maybe the up arrow gives a down respose
and vice-versa. Maybe just plugging the mat in crashes your console. Generally
don't bother trying to fix these - just send it straight back and get a refund.
Buy another mat while you're waiting for your refund to come through - it could
take a while, but if someone sells you a product through any official channel
(even eBay) that blatantly doesn't work, you should be able to get your money
back. Also, e-mail me at ranma-tim@care2.com to let me know which mat it was,
so I can warn people about it in this FAQ!
4) Soft Mats
Here's a table collating all the information I have
on soft mats. In a lot of cases, you can't actually buy the mat concerned in
this country, and the official sellers often don't export overseas, so I've
just wimped out and told you to go look on eBay! Also if a mat is no longer
available, I just link off to eBay and Amazon, which have them from time to
time. If you have anything to add, please let me know at ranma-tim@care2.com
"Name"
- Manufacturer |
Price (approx.) |
Can Buy it from: |
Comments |
||
Blaze Ravestation (New - has L/R buttons) | £20 |
Game, Dixons | bad | ? | Although now with L/R arrows, this is apparently not as good as the earlier version - which is odd. If you disagree, let me know at ranma-tim@care2.com! |
Blaze Ravestation (Old - no L/R buttons) |
£20 |
bad |
? |
Generally good - one had a bad folded up
arrow, but in such rare cases you can always get them to replace the mat
with a working one. |
|
Big Ben | £10 |
Amazon, Dixons | ? | ? | ??? Anyone got one of these, please tell me what it's like! |
"Dance Mat Pro" - Competition
Pro (New - has L/R buttons) |
£15 |
bad |
good |
Extremely Brilliant. With the L/R buttons
you can now play loads of other Playstation games! May suffer from Mat-Slipping,
like its predecessor. |
|
Competition Pro (Old - no L/R buttons) |
£19 |
bad |
good |
Brilliant - can get an A on 9-foot songs
with it! One went sticky within a month
and was replaced, under the warranty, with a good one. Not good
for modding, however, as when stuck down suffers from Mat-Slipping. |
|
Jagtech |
£19 |
good |
? |
Second hand only. Looks like the Venom
mat… which doesn't bode well. |
|
Joytech Dancing Mate | £15 |
Virgin, Play.com | good | ? | Although very resilent and reliable, these mats have big problems with both Floor-slipping and Mat-slipping. To be of any use at all, they must be modded, and then they're great. |
Jungle Book-bundled 'Official' dance mat
|
£30 |
good |
? |
The Jungle Book Groove Party bundle (with
this mat and the game) can only be had second hand, but the mat is now
available separately at HMV. Adequate, but went sticky
after several months of use. |
|
Konami Official |
£65 |
good |
? |
Good but no longer available anywhere it
seems! |
|
Lik-Sang |
£5.34 - £17.96 |
good |
? |
A large range is available, and info on
these seems sparse. Cheap, especially when bought in bulk, but don't forget
postage and the 17.5% VAT that will be added when they arrive in the UK! |
|
Logic 3 (new - Black on the back) |
£15 |
good |
bad |
Sturdy like the Compeition Pro, but closer
to arcade dimensions (i.e. smaller than the CP) and without the XO problem.
9-foot songs have been passed on one. Possibly the best soft mat
currently available! (Woolworths' website seems to think it is
made by Thrustmaster.) |
|
Logic 3 (old - White on the back) |
? |
Don't bother |
? |
? |
"Utter s**t"
"Bad" Luckily you can't seem to get hold
of these any more even if you wanted to. |
Mad Katz |
£13.31 |
eBay,
or Asda! |
good |
? |
Hard to find, closer to arcade-pad size,
but serious sticky problems apparently. |
MyMyBox Deluxe Dance Pad Ver2.5A |
$90 |
good |
? |
??? Looks like the RedOctane ones... they
actually have a whole range, with the others coming in at $60, $50 and
$30. Not sure about shipping to the UK. Got one of these? Tell me about it! |
|
RedOctane Exclusive |
$50 |
good |
? |
1/2 the price, 3/4 as good as the 'Ignition'
(see below) |
|
RedOctane Igntion |
$100 |
good |
? |
Very good - quite expensive! One from eBay
gave a Left as well as Down when hitting Down, which caused problems.
Another actually died after 1 month of use! But most users seem very happy. |
|
"Elite" - Venom | £9.99 | Game | good | ? | No word on this one, but based on past performance by Venom (see below), my advice is to stay away. |
"Performance 2" - Venom |
"Free" when you join Special
Reserve for £7.50 |
good |
? |
Mat-slip
of doom! They should pay you to play with
this mat, not the other way around. Avoid at all costs. |
Soft Mat Maintenance
When you first get out your new soft mat, I recommend
the following. Unfold it slowly and carefully on the floor. Gently smooth out
any serious creases. Then leave it alone for about two hours, just
to settle. This takes some willpower but is definitely worth it in the end:
if you immediately start dancing on it you are likely to crush the creases,
making damage to the mat more likely. When it is good and ready, try a 1-foot
song, then a 2-footer, then 3 all the way up to your current skill level. This
should sort out any remaining creases.
Needless to say, try to avoid any damage coming to the mat
- watch out for high-heeled shoes, drinks, puppies, babies and other causes
of general havoc. Also it seems that simply folding the mat can wear away the
inner printed circuit, causing far more harm than if you dance on it for months
on end, so try to fold it as rarely as possible. I store mine flat under the
sofa, while another idea is to suspend it in a wardrobe from a clip-style coathanger.
5) Hard Pads
Until early 2003, these were not generally available in the
UK, and you'd have to find a Hard Pad on eBay or get some company to send you
one from America. But as of 14/4/3, Special
Reserve started selling a metal mat made by Logic 3 for £100, and
they are starting to appear over here in greater numbers.
In general, hard pads are much better quality than Soft Mats,
but still not infallible. Here are the individual makes I know
of:
Logic 3 metal mat v2.0
The initial batch of these (v1.0) seemed alright, the main
complaint being the loud creaking and cracking noises the panels make in the
course of normal dancing. Unfortunately many of these pads quickly started to
suffer from Sticky Response, and many were sent
back. A reasonable amount of mat-modfication was found to fix the issue, but
when buying a hard pad you really want the job to be done properly already.
Logic 3 tweaked the product a little, the clearest external
difference being the addition of more rubber feet (the first batch had 60, the
new batch somewhat more). Sadly, these mats (v1.1?) still suffered from the
same problems.
Just as they did with their soft mats, Logic 3 then went back
to the drawing board and came back with a much better version, the Logic 3 metal
mat v2.0 available as of 20/10/3. It turns out to be sturdier but, as with any
metal pad it seems, still not totally infallible. Available in a surprising
number of gaming shops, and online from dabs
for £75 (including postage). The main ways of telling them apart are that
the v2.0 has a built-in control box (instead of a separate one), does not have
lights under each panel, and the background of the 'Logic 3' logo is now silver,
whereas it was white on the v1.0.
Metal Dancing Platform with Rail/Handle
Trying to get a metal pad with a handle built in used to be
nigh-on impossible, but just lately this seems to have been fixed. Both play-asia
and lik-sang are now offering them, at
£112.69 (free delivery) or £65.46 (delivery extra) respectively.
Since websites often re-organise, I usually only link to their main page and
let you find the right page from there. In this case, I'll make an exception:
play-asia's is here
and lik-sang's is here.
All that is known so far about these mats is that play-asia delivers them verrrry
slowly...
Cobalt Flux pad
Expensive at $299, not including shipping out to England (which
costs 'quite a bit'), the Cobalt Flux
does appear to be the best available pad yet. The electronics are housed in
a separate 'control box', which makes it less likely to get broken, and if the
control box does break, they replace it. Originally as many as 1 in 15 control
boxes had to be replaced, although a new model was brought out that is more
reliable. The most impressive thing about these mats is they have an entire
forum of their own (at the website)
where you can discuss all your problems with the manufacturers and other users.
From the look of it, they really do care, and problems do get fixed - it just
takes time.
Aside from the control-box problems, these mats seem to be
indestructible, to the extent that you can even drive a car over one!
Konami official arcade pads
Seeing players desperately seeking good metal pads, and having
the means to manufacture them already in place, Konami actually sell their own
literally arcade-quality pads. But for a cost of around £1000 (not to
mention £200 odd postage), and without even the back bar being included,
you'd be better off with a Cobalt Flux it seems.
Dancing King hard mat
"Brilliant", reports one pleased user, "but
down arrow became sticky eventually".
MyMyBox Konamix 2000 solo mode metal pad (6 button)
One user is on record as being pleased with his. They go for
$200 at MyMyBox.
One notable selling point was that they make "0%" noise when you hit
the arrows - something they've presumably improved from the old version, which
was very noisy and very similar to the (old) Logic 3 metal pads.
Burn Star dance mat
Appears to be identical to the MyMyBox pads - see above.
"Metal Arcade-style pads"
Very good, replicating the look and scale of the arcade pads
- but still get sticky sometimes. Not sure exactly
who makes them, but this is what you'll see them under on eBay.
Probably the same as the generic Logic 3 v1.0/MyMybox type of pads.
Konami 'Dance Performance' hard mat
Another good mat from those redoctane
people. Still some people have expressed disappointement with it, especially
when compared to the (more expensive) Cobalt
Flux (see above). Has even been described as 'utter poopy'...
"DDR Hard Pad Plastic"
Good, but one user reported that his "broke after 6 months of la senorita
virtual".
6) Modded Mats
A cheap soft mat can be improved by 'modding'. This usually
amounts to mounting it on a bit of wood, thus preventing floor-slip by the sheer
weight of it. Definitely a good idea if you're the least bit DIY-capable. Also
means your mat will never be folded up again! Search the net for 'mat modding',
or see the guides at www.bantumusic.co.uk
or www.ddrfreak.com .
There are also a number of simple modding ideas. You could
stick velcro to the pad and the floor and hold it that way. Or you could just
velcro it in the same way to a large bit of wood. Sticking a rubber mat of some
kind underneath should fix slippage a little. You can buy anti-slip bits of
material for rugs - try sticking them to the bottom of your mat.
Some of the metal mats, such as MyMyBox or Logic 3 (which
are almost identically designed), require some modding for decent performance.
Try www.rufus3.com/ddr/mmb.html
.
7) Home-Made
Mats
If you really know your DIY, you can simply buy the necessary
components and build your very own super-cool dance pad. This is ultimately
the best and coolest solution, but you need the skillz to make it work! As with
Modded Mats, either search on-line for "home-made dance pad", or have
a look at the articles at www.digitaltorque.com/mydancepad/
(which has instructional videos!), www.geocities.com/ddrhomepad
or www.ddrfreak.com.
If you think that you don't need any help, the only information
you really need to know is that the arcade pads are each 11" (279mm) square,
and the two pads are separated by a distance of 1 and 13/16" (46mm).
8) FAQ History and credits
Thanks to the people at ddruk, ddrfreak, dancegames.uk.com,
the playstation boards, and everyone else that has one way or another told me
something that adds to this FAQ!
30/5/5 v1.02 Thanks to Bucko for telling me about the 'Burn Star' mats.
19/8/4 v1.01 Little bits have been added over time. Most recently updated the
news a bit on metal pads.
26/10/3 v1.0 Corrected some little niggling things, and put in the news about
these metal mats with a bar/rail/handle built in. Thanks to air_jnr for prompting
me to update this FAQ!
21/10/3 v0.97 Added the new info about Logic 3's Metal Mat v2.0, as reported
by gozaimas on ddruk.com. Also added Cyberg's
useful comments describing the Joytech 'Dancing Mate' mats in detail - i.e.,
great apart from the slippiness.
16/10/3 v0.9 Proper revamp, with the final verdict on Metal Logic 3s (not good),
and many other details that had come to my attention. Also corrected spelling
of 'permenant' to 'permanent'. Feel much better now.
30/4/3 v0.82 Thanks to Ketil Froyn for finding out about these new Joytech 'Dancing Mate' mats. Also the Metal Logic 3 pads are now out, and looking good! I've finally got my act together and looked into this whole MyMyBox thing, and I've put in the Soft Mat Maintenance section.
25/3/3 v0.81 Metal Logic 3 pads won't be out until at least 7/4/3, according to Lawrence who spoke to Logic 3 directly!
15/3/3 v0.8 Thanks to Honey Monster for pointing out the existence of Cobalt Flux, and further recommending the new Logic 3 soft mats. Also to Tashbops for the important news that 9-footers can be passed on the new Logic 3s. And we now have Neomantix's opinion that the RedOctane metal pads are 'utter poopy' :)
27/2/3 v0.7 Added Zell_KFF and AkumaGM's bad Igntion experiences, and the_ditz's discovery of a Mad Katz pad at Asda that suffered a quick and sticky death! Also added the mat modding ideas from all sorts of people on ddruk.
17/2/3 v0.6 Insert comment on mat-scale vs arcade-scale, New Competition Pro
mats don't suffer button override (thanks Bopman!), lots of annoying typos fixed,
and this section added too.
16/2/3 v0.5 After months of lurking on message boards and forums, finally put
everything I've learned into this one big document. Yay!
Send comments, suggestions, questions, mistakes etc to: ranma-tim@care2.com
Feedback makes the world go round!
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